Conversations in the room

Posted by Church of God of Carmichael on Sunday, June 7, 2020

Sunday Morning Podcast June 7, 2020. Bro. Dave Goble.

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TEXT: MATTHEW 17: 24-27 

24  And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes, And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.  

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me, and thee.

These questioning Peter, perhaps had a different motive, than the questioners in the above scripture.

MATTHEW 22:15-21 

15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. 

17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar; or not? 18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 

19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 

20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 

21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

“Conversations in the room.”  Two passages dealing with civil law, civil society, and the law of God. Two passages with seeming two different motives. One, (the second one) perhaps to catch Jesus in some error.  And the first one, coming to Jesus with the question of how do you pay taxes, or how do you relate to and pay civil society of the people?  And Peter then, (back in Matthew 17)  asked, (essentially),  We live in times of society laws, that conflict with a heavenly society which is governed by it’s laws. Both “conversations” are in the room.  So what do we do?   Society…is the room.  We are all in this room.  There are conversations here that we all are part of.  There are conflicts in the conversation within.  And after awhile it can make your head hurt!  But our desire is to make sense of which conversation we are a part of.  Ultimately no matter what life’s “conversations” the human is a part of, we want to make sense of it all.   In Philemon, Paul addresses a concern of Philemon, whose servant on how to govern the situation if his servant had run away, and how to deal with the need of him to return. Philemon was saved, and his servant Onesimus had been won to the Lord by Paul, who now considered him to be as a son. Paul wanted Philemon, to have grace for whatever wrong his servant seemed to have committed.  This was for the sake of the gospel, and Paul was willing to take the punishment or blame for the sake of Onesimus’s soul.  For Onesimus is now part of the heavenly society, and Paul expressed his wish to be workers together “with both (Philemon, and Onesimus) and the conversations in the room.”   So Paul expressed the intention to send Onesimus back, so both master and servant could work together, as they were both now part of the same room, now that both were in the kingdom.   This brought a new protocol, a new way of thinking in this room.  In any “room” there are different “conversations” that will conflict.  The need to consider the civil law that Philemon’s need addressed, and also the law of God, now that Onesimus was now part of the kingdom.  In the past Philemon’s need would need to be handled in a civil way of society.  But Paul pointed out to Philemon that they all were now part of a new covenant. The need was to think about that in the gospel way.  So this issue was raised early in the church. A society that was reorganized around the law of God.  So Onesimus was profitable spiritually to Paul, who had won him to God.  So Paul expressed to Philemon the desire to be workers together with him, in this potential conflict.  So Paul expressed he would send Onesimus back.  He pointed out to Philemon, that this “room” they were in now, was different than the one of civil law and society they used to occupy.  Now it was the society or room of God.  A new protocol and way of thinking.  So you can see throughout scripture there are different conversations within “the room,” that conflict.  And the desire was now to think about this in the gospel way.

There are other examples.  Paul, and some other disciples were in prison for the defense of the gospel, which entailed violations of civil law.  Imprisoned for the conflict of civil law, and that of God’s laws. You can’t have it both ways.  These are different conversations that arrive in the room. Different rules that people align themselves with. Jesus was found in this room, because of a civil disobedience. and He must obey His Father.  He was arrested, and the first charges brought against Him are of blasphemy which is a violation of religious law, that they were subject to. 1) What is the role of theocracy with God, in relation with society?  2) In these  different conversations what shall now be the role of civil society?  It’s different to participate when you are suffering and or in pain. The pain tends to dominate. Especially when you are hurt with some intent. Because the suffering becomes a distinct conversation. It’s hard to have a conversation in that room.  The pain and suffering makes it hard to have any other conversation.  Jesus represents “this conversation.”   So now, civil society ponders what their role should now be.  3) Pain and loss.  At first you might accidentally hurt someone.  But after awhile you keep repeating that act, and with no apologetic attitude, then the pain dominates without ability to hear any other conversation in the room.  Quit hurting one, or others, so they can hear you.   And we must be careful that we have the right perspective when trying to be heard.  Talk does no good.  When the Word of God is left out, sin dominates.  We have to listen to others, or sin will enter without God’s law entering.  So then it will be the affecting of an humanistic, agnostic or atheist conversation.  We then lose, and sin spoils!   Quit hurting any, so those that are hurting can hear you!

Conversations In The Room